{"id":28,"date":"2005-07-03T16:43:25","date_gmt":"2005-07-03T16:43:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.levinger.net\/cualguerra\/?p=28"},"modified":"2005-07-03T16:43:25","modified_gmt":"2005-07-03T16:43:25","slug":"carloss-father","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.levinger.net\/cualguerra\/carloss-father\/","title":{"rendered":"Carlos’s father"},"content":{"rendered":"
\"\"<\/a>I have a good book, a lot of information is in that book. And if you want to get the author, I can give it to you in the weekend and you can find it or we can try to.When the violence started, the Army went to rape the women, all the pretty women. So people got angry. The Army went to cut the milpa (corn) fields. We know all of that because of the news. Here we still don\u2019t have any of that but we hear it. So, my son , Carlos, who was a technical nurse in rural health and was working in… in a health center. So the guerrilla got there too and they went to the health center to steal medicines. Then the Army and the mayor told him that he was a guerrilla man. Because he let the guerrillas in when they came for help, so they had the wrong information against him. He realized this and went to another town, to work at a farm there. There was a lot of violence there, so he went to look for work in the capital city. \u00a0I don\u2019t know if they followed him, but he was working there and he lived in the capital city . But one day, June 30th, no, June 5th, they gave him a check to go and change… June 5th, 1985, he was kidnapped, he was getting the money out of the bank and the kidnappers were from the G2 . I\u2019m going to tell you a little because to say a lot I need a very long time. So, a few days we are looking for him, but we can\u2019t find him, crying, going all around. Then, Marco Antonio, who is the boss, looked for him too. So we could communicate with them and we realized that the first day they went to the office of the emergency police and then to the Army General Quarters.<\/div>\n
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I think it\u2019s the emergency police of the Army. Then, he was tortured cruelly for three days and they said they didn\u2019t find any wrong doing with him. Then, they send him to the General Quarters for his death. We were negotiating, but at the last minute they said that it wasn\u2019t their choice but they couldn\u2019t let go anyone that was intelligent, otherwise, they may spread the word of what has happened. Then, on July 5, 1985 another son was captured. He is a lawyer. His \u201cfault\u201d was that he worked at a coop as the manager. And since they talk about Peasant Unions in that that group, they consider that everyone that works there is a communist, guerrilla, terrorist. This is what we have suffered…<\/p>\n

Translator: And someone from the Army came to tell that they killed your son or how?<\/em><\/p>\n

Carlos’s father: Nothing, we didn\u2019t hear anything from the Army. We tried for a year, and then we learned that Carlos had been at the Army Quarters in Chimaltenengo. That\u2019s how we knew he was dead. (We learned this from) Only through other people who do business with the Army. They disappeared. Were they killed in Chimaltenango? Or are they alive? We still have hope that they may return one day or they are dead already, we don\u2019t know it.<\/p>\n

Translator: He said that there is a person, Marco is his name, from him they had the information that Carlos was alive. But to negotiate they went to the Army and to other groups and finally they said that it\u2019s really bad for the Army if they let him go because…. So then, they moved him to Chimaltenango and from there, they don\u2019t know. They didn\u2019t tell Marco if he\u2019s alive or he\u2019s dead, or what.<\/em><\/p>\n

So they never found his body?<\/em><\/p>\n

Carlos’s father: For 2 years we went to the morgue in Guatemala. There were many corpses there, tortured, but we couldn\u2019t find them. And at the end, I don\u2019t know whether the man \u00a0was telling the truth. I trusted him, he\u2019s an evangelical called Miguel Gomez. We did business and he said, \u201cI will go there and get some information if your two sons\u2019 names appear there\u201d. He went to look in the book where the Army records the names of the dead and he said he didn\u2019t find the names of my sons. We gave him 3,000 quetzales. That\u2019s the only information he gave us.<\/p>\n

When I was in (name of town) they said that the Army made the people go patrolling and \u00a0it was on February 4, 1982 and it ended on October 20, 1988. And when I went there, around 9 p.m. that people got together to talk, the mayor, Osorio and the Ramey went to…. And they killed him, they burned him with gasoline. And they put the body(ies) where there was hay to burn them, and that\u2019s why he can\u2019t stand it anymore and left. And since my other son, Lazaro worked at a Coop, Union Campesina, they supposed everybody who worked there was a communist. When he was there he started a project to export cauliflower, broccoli and arracachina. But, since he was in the group with the peasants, they thought they were training him to be a communist or guerrilla. So, they went after him, the police, and he ran. He complained to someone, \u201cWhat is it that I\u2019m doing, I\u2019m just working, and why does the police follow me?\u201d. So, that person went to the police and asked them why they were following him if all he\u2019s doing is he\u2019s working. So, they let him go. A year after that the Army came to his home and he wasn\u2019t there, but they chased him and got him. That\u2019s his great fault, to be working, to study law. That\u2019s the great \u201cwrongdoing\u201d that my sons committed.<\/p>\n

Also Francisco, my other son was there too but when he realized that the Army had been around too much, he decided to flee. I don\u2019t know whether it was psychological, or he was also being persecuted. He went to live to another country for 20 years. And that\u2019s why he is alive and came back now, after the peace was made, but about 10 years after it was made… because when they signed the peace they continue to kill people, since they don\u2019t respect peoples\u2019 dignity. The Army here is not human, they are wild beasts because they think they own Guatemala and life itself. They don\u2019t respect God.<\/p>\n

Francisco escaped. But I didn\u2019t know where. We cried because it was all very sad. I had already thought that my son, Francisco, was dead. And since the Catholic priests worked a lot with the people, a priest from Spain came and asked me, \u201cAre you Doroteo? that\u2019s good. I\u2019m priest Juan\u201d, and we started talking about my sons\u2019 kidnappings. \u201cHow many children do you have?\u201d he said. \u201cAre they all here?\u201d No, 2 were kidnapped and my son- in-law, but the other one wasn\u2019t kidnapped, he escaped. The priest said \u201cI feel so bad for you. Do you suspect that he\u2019s in the mountains\u201d? And I couldn\u2019t say anything.<\/p>\n

He (the priest) pulled out a portfolio and he said he knew that man… \u201cFrancisco is alive?\u201d Here there is a letter. I didn\u2019t know what to do, but it\u2019s better that he doesn\u2019t come back here until there is peace. After a few years, we communicated and I went to look for him and I found him. I got one son back. About the other two ….I don\u2019t know anything. What can I do, that\u2019s life. But here in Guatemala we think they (the Army) should go to the mountains and fight with the guerrillas that are armed. But not with the people that are at their homes. I\u2019m angry too. The mayor was killed here because the Army commander is the one that kills everybody. I also am on a \u201cblack list\u201d of people and I pray to God nothing happens.<\/p>\n

In 1987, when we did protests and went to the Palace and the police was there and I told them that they were killers and they killed mostly indigenous people. Because what is more prominent here is discrimination. Well, I accused the Army and I have a copy of the words I said.<\/p>\n

In 1985 and \u201986 I left from here and went to look for them (my sons) everywhere, hungry, without anything. Then, in 1987, I wrote this and went directly to the Palace. \u201cChrist died because of the truth, but I confront you to go to God\u2019s court. There is justice there, and if my sons are criminals, or you are the criminals, we\u2019ll confront before God\u2019s tribunal.\u201d<\/p>\n

I said: \u201cMister President, Ministers, Minister of Defense, Army Generals,… and (search your) conscience… because you are the ones that kidnapped my sons, and if you believe in God, you still have time to free them. And as the Holy Bible (and I pulled it out), because the ones that pretend to be Christians like Rios Montt\u201d.So that\u2019s how I made it clear on a tape but I don\u2019t have it right now. So I told them that and I\u2019m still alive.<\/p>\n

I have 2 grandsons who are traumatized. They\u2019re Lazaros\u2019 (his son-in-law) sons. Well, now we don\u2019t cry that much during the day, but my wife , sometimes at night, says \u201cwake up, wake up, why are you crying\u201d? We cry in our sleep, at night. Day and night, always in tears. When Lazaro disappeared one of his sons was already born, maybe a year old, the other…
\nCarlos’s father: Since I\u2019m a Christian, Catholic, the priests always come to see me, to give me fortitude. One day they were going to tell me who were the accusers, but I didn\u2019t want to know because it\u2019ll be troublesome. My conscience is at peace, it doesn\u2019t matter if I cry day and night. There are certain songs that they used to like and one night my wife heard one and started crying. I\u2019m sure I won\u2019t forget until the day that I die. And for that reason… for instance the Army, they are not ignorant, they are scientific about it. I waited because in 1985 I realized that my sons and son-in-law Felipe were taken to Zone 6, to the Police. And then to the General Quarters. Then, they found those documents and maybe Carlos’ss father will show up one day, if they follow human rights and maybe he\u2019ll appear. But…<\/p>\n

Thank you. Because here in Guatemala there are thousands in the same situation. For instance there is a historic story that here the ones that are left, since they were not captured, the young ones, left. So, they captured the mother and sent her to jail. Then, the son, the one they were after, a Catholic, went to the priests to be confessed and asked them to give him the last blessing because he was going to be killed so that his mother could be free. So, they gave him Communion and the mother was let free. That\u2019s a very deep pain because the mother and the father are alive but the son gave his life for his mother, That\u2019s very cruel.<\/p>\n

When one does God\u2019s will, He saves you. For instance, I realized I am on the \u201cblack list\u201d but, thanks to God I haven\u2019t been killed. But, I don\u2019t stop being charitable to others for love to God and my brothers. Many people fled. I received them in my house. And I don\u2019t care if I\u2019m killed for them. If there is work, I give them work.<\/p>\n

Translator: He decided to tell you one more story, \u00a0about what people had told him happened in Chocolo.<\/p>\n

The Army got there and tied all the men with a rope. Then, they told the women to kill a few chickens, make lunch and so they wouldn\u2019t kill their husbands. Then, they took all the 15 year old pretty girls to the mountains and raped them. Around 3 p.m. they killed the men. What criminals. The women fled and they told me about it. This is very sad about Guatemala and they don\u2019t understand that in the US. The Spaniards also killed our people, took our gold, our land. We are poor and the sons of Spaniards took our farms, more than 500 years ago, and then came back to kill us. As one man said: \u201cwe, the indigenous, are saints, we are not killers\u201d. But if we had arms now, I\u2019d kill them. We were born good, but with everything that has been done to us, we became rebels because we can\u2019t stand it anymore. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0
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